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Post by hleem on Aug 3, 2012 10:55:59 GMT -5
insidelacrosse.com/news/2012/08/03/rules-committee-recommends-30-second-countdown-after-stall-warningFaceoffs The committee also made several recommendations in regards to faceoffs: Players taking the faceoff are not allowed to use a motorcycle grip any longer. After two pre-whistle violations in one half by a team, subsequent violations result in a 30-second technical penalty. When a violation occurs, the faceoff player is no longer required to leave the field. During penalty situations, there must be four players in the defensive area and three players in the offensive area. Exception: When a team has three or more players in the penalty area, a player may come out of its defensive area to take the faceoff. Tape may not be added to the throat of the crosse of the player taking a faceoff. Also, as a point of emphasis officials are to enforce the rule that says players must keep their hands off of the plastic of the crosse. Players can gain an unfair advantage to gain possession of the ball if this is not called. Finally, the committee considered moving the faceoff players from four inches to 12 inches apart. The committee ultimately decided, however, to experiment with this procedure this fall to see what the impact would be. “The proposed changes to the faceoff are intended to enhance the procedure,” Hind said. “There was some support for moving the players further apart, but it hasn’t been used anywhere, so we’d like to have teams use it in the fall first.” Whole lot of BS. This will slow the game off faceoff, if MOTO is banned.
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Post by Pete Vlahakis on Aug 3, 2012 13:15:36 GMT -5
Face-off men need to come together and stop these rule changes. Absurd, these people on the committee have obviously never fought for a GB, battled with everything they have to gain possession. Recruits coming up will have worked for nothing. All that is taught by Alex, myself will be ruined. The (game within the game) will be over. MLL guys, current NCAA guys, high school, youth face-off men need to speak up and not let this happen.
No Moto grip: Absurd-Will ruin the FO, why ban it? Because it's better?
Is some soft kid who uses the laser rake the son of someone on the committee?
No tape on stick: DUMB. sticks break, you lose grip. Instead of this why not just make the rule that you CAN put your hands on the plastic, taking away this (unfair advantage) as they call it. In MLL and club, you can.
Ball 12 inches apart: Too much. do we want a hockey face-off?
Speak up face-off men.
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Post by asmith11 on Aug 3, 2012 16:22:04 GMT -5
I'm with Pete lets start it up....
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Post by Guest on Aug 3, 2012 16:58:01 GMT -5
Alex- are you back to tomorrow night? Would be great to see you back on the field. Curious, given that you know so many coaches in D1 personally what they think of the proposal, and if you can lobby them for us.
Leem- where are you playing next year ?
Pete- great suggestion.
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Post by dtamberrino on Aug 3, 2012 18:47:05 GMT -5
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Post by hleem on Aug 3, 2012 19:18:13 GMT -5
I'm with Pete and Alex.
FOGO's and all other players (for the other rules) needs to voice their dissatisfaction of these proposals.
If they pass, yes, like Dave said we will adjust, we have before, after all 60 years ago, face offs were similar to women's draws, 50 years ago, they were free game and could be hit while they were battling for the ball, a ball that was stuck in between heads on the ground. Then there were no FOGOs, then there no players committed to such a position. Such commitment they practiced the facing off one way and got very good at it. Changing the initial start can hurt good players, and ultimately the hours of practice using a certain grip that was legal when they played in High School, becomes illegal to use when their collegiate career begins.
For elbows
Elbows were not used until the faceoff became a scrum. Down Whistle v Down Set Whistle isn't much of an issue since faceoffmen should react to the whistle. Changing the initial start of a faceoff changes technique and all the hours, bloody, practices are thrown away.
Online Petition or email/Phone campaign?
If we have to, we will adapt, to gain possession for the team, but why change areas that are not broken, if the NCAA wants to speed up a game, add an absolutely un bias, inhuman shot clock that is not subject to different referee's ideas of what stalling is.
Guest: I was forced to stay local, and will be attending Chapman University
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To specify in my OP that the game will be slowed down, Look at all the 30+ second faceoffs in the MLL, all that I see have seen were done using flip grip.
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Post by JumpOff on Aug 3, 2012 22:51:17 GMT -5
I followed the link that Hee posted at InsideLacrosse and after doing quick google search found the e-mail info for Jon Hind, the chair of the rules committee (also the Athletics Director for Hamilton College). I plan to e-mail him and also to send him handwritten or typed letter, hopefully that will make more of a point.
While I am no longer in college I feel that these new proposals go against the spirit of the game and all of the things I love. Plus, in the interests of "safety" I believe that they have made the face off potentially more dangerous.
Anyone interested in coordinating efforts can find me at IL with username JumpOff.
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Post by clutchfoff21 on Aug 3, 2012 23:01:53 GMT -5
This rule for no moto is like telling a dominate righty they can't play with their right hand. Its giving a distinct advantage to those who don't use moto. Why favor another player with a different technique.
I don't know what prompted these proposals. I haven't seen a face off that last an absurd amount of time, except for a Geoff Snider face off.
If the committee so happens to forget, the holding the ball behind the net for 8 minutes at a time is slowing down the pace of lacrosse.
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Post by hleem on Aug 4, 2012 11:19:20 GMT -5
jhind@hamilton.edu
315-859-4116
I still don't see the UNFAIRNESS OR SAFTY ISSUE... based on obvious anecdotal evidence....
the way I see it, you can hyperextend your wrist with regular grip.
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Post by clutchfoff16 on Aug 4, 2012 15:18:52 GMT -5
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Post by hleem on Aug 5, 2012 14:45:09 GMT -5
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Post by fogoford on Aug 6, 2012 14:13:02 GMT -5
Are rules changes being proposed because ref-ing faceoffs is hard and often inconsistent, i.e., to make refs' job easier? Another question: Would the new rules favor big guys?
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Post by Memba this on Aug 6, 2012 18:32:28 GMT -5
--- Guys, while I think almost all of us think the no moto rule is foolish, and hope it gets shot down, I just wanted to send one suggestion to you all, especially those either playing for colleges, or entering college to play: coaches say all the time that you need to remember that your words and actions (and comments/images in the social media) not only reflect on you, but your team and university. Take a few extra seconds, and run your public support of a rules petition (with your name) past your coach or communications person. While most know this, others either may not, or are the same ones who usually have the highest public presence in forums like these. Totally hope that we can get the no moto proposal over-turned and think the petition is a great idea but let's be smart about it relative to our coaches and schools. Would hate to see someone get grief about it. |
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Post by faceofflax15 on Sept 13, 2012 14:12:12 GMT -5
The provision to eliminate the moto grip has OFFICIALLY been removed. Just wanted to say good job to everyone who signed the petition, or voiced their concerns.
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Post by Guest on May 1, 2013 17:40:24 GMT -5
Hey faceofflax - how come UDM didn't recognize you on Senior Day? I know you were injured earlier in the season, but it looks like you're still on the roster.
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